Why not a Second Referendum?

I suggest something like the following, bearing in mind:

[a]. The question is “What is the best for the country?”,  not “What do I want?”. There is only one “best for the country”.

[b]. This whole exercise needs more spirit of compromise. Think before you cast your vote “What if one option is clearly unpopular? Then why vote for it?"

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We suggest the following as a way forward that might appeal to a majority of MPs and be ‘fair’. Voters are to be encouraged to a spirit of compromise, and to reflect on what is best for the country and fellow citizens rather than the outcome that suits them personally.

[1]   It is widely understood and accepted that Westminster Parliament is sovereign in the United Kingdom, as established in 1649. The Queen and her ministers play an executive role that must ultimately be reversible by Parliament. Parliamentary (i.e. representative) democracy must trump plebiscites or referendums. Referendums are useful as ‘straw-polls to test the weather'.

[2]   It has been argued that the 2016 referendum did not specify sufficiently the terms of exit that would emerge if the country sought to leave the EU. Further, it was not made sufficiently clear to the public that the 2016 referendum was advisory not definitive. Further, there were electoral rules broken. There can be delay and expense but no affront to democracy in asking for another referendum. (The Swiss have frequent advisory referendums; 3 were held in the first 5 months of 2019.) 

[3]   We therefore suggest asking the EU for a 6 month extension (or an indefinite revoking of Article 50), in order to run the following referendum:

[a] UK voters to vote for one only of the following three options:

[i]  Remain in the EU with full existing rights, exemptions, rebates and duties. 

[ii] Leave the EU on Theresa May terms (*One-off divorce bill of 39B£, respect EU-citizen rights reciprocally, transition period, UK leaves Single Market, and Customs Union, and EU institutions, but Northern Ireland stays in the Customs Union if Britain diverges.)

[iii] Great Britain leaves the EU without a deal in place, without a transition period, but presumably with the ability to make deals in the future without prejudice. A hard border is created in Ireland with immediate effect. 

[b] In the event that no single one of the three options exceeds any other by at least 1% of the votes cast the default position is that we retain our present EU membership with full existing rights, exemptions, rebates and duties, as there being insufficient justification for massive upheaval.

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[4]   Parliament will be expected, but is not bound, to endorse and enact the result of this referendum.

(*I have not found it easy to find a clear statement of Theresa May’s deal. Something like this would need to be on the ballot-paper)

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Ian West
9 Thenford Road, Middleton Cheney,
BANBURY, OX17 2NB,

An historian's view of Brexit.

The many views on Brexit.

    When the dust has settled, historians will begin to study and debate what happened in the momentous years 2016 — 2019, when parties, elites, and families in Britain were torn apart by the question of whether or not to pull out of the European Union.

    The referendum forced us into two great camps: that of 'Leavers', and 'Remainers'. But in truth there are many little camps, all rather isolated from each other, and in many cases having little internal communication either. (In pubs and cafés, talking about Brexit is taboo for it is easy to cause offence; and pointless anyway, because it is impossible to sway minds. Apart from family and a handful of journalists and politicians, I know few who think as I do. I would love there to be a Remainer's café where I could hang out and discuss strategy.)

    Eventually a party will have to form, a coalescence of groups supporting a single course of action. In the meantime some think Brexit will make them better off, others think the opposite; some would cosy up to USA, others prefer Europe; some think that Britain can make better laws on its own, others that EU laws are better. 

    Let me try and define your particular group. Perhaps:

(1)  You wish to achieve maximum national and personal sovereignty, trading as and when circumstances allow, but contributing as little as possible to world peace, stability, or culture: "little Englanders".  (Perhaps Rees-Mogg?)

(2)  Or you want to "take back control", mistakenly believing that the European Court consistently or repeated over-ruled British laws (actually 72 times out of 34,000 and in those cases on good grounds http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/RP10-62/RP10-62.pdf)

(3)  Perhaps you prefer an alignment with the USA, to one with the EU (dominated as it is by Germany and France), perhaps on the grounds that the USA and UK share a common language.

(4)  Perhaps you think Brexit will allow Britain to trade freely, and gain an advantage over others by lowering standards or loosening restrictions. (Perhaps David Davis?)

(5)  Perhaps you think that Brexit could be a ticket to leadership of the Tory party. (Perhaps Boris Johnson?)

(6)  Perhaps you acknowledge that Brexit looks bad commercially, but believe that it is the duty of Government to deliver a form of Brexit that few (or no-one) voted for. (Perhaps Thersesa May?)

(7)  Perhaps you think that Britain is not ready for the degree of monetary and political integration that is the trend in Brussels, but would nevertheless vote Remain to retain our present position at the European table. (Perhaps George Monbiot.)

(8)  Or you know about the Erasmus scheme and think that Britain benefits financially and culturally from the EU, and you welcome both the supply of labour from the East and the meticulous law-making of 'Benelux'.

(9)  Perhaps you voted remain because you see a united Europe as a potential superpower more akin to British tastes and interests than the combative, exploitative, and increasingly isolated USA. 

(10) There will be those who see Britain as being (for at least the last 1,000 years) consistently and essentially a part of Europe, sharing its history, culture, religion, fighting its wars, exchanging monarchs, migrants and refugees, skills, trades, diseases. Admittedly, this point of view might be restricted to those who speak Latin or two or more of the core European languages. But Kings William I to Henry IV spoke French, while George I & George II spoke German by choice, even if you did not know that; and most of our Kings had a European mother.

    If I have not grasped your position on Europe I would be most grateful if you would tell me, so I can add it to my list. 

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Cawstein: cawstein@gmail.com 

Should Parliament decide, or "the people"?

Dear  Member of Parliament,

     It is not my position — “that it should be the people, not the politicians, who decide on Brexit.”  After the fateful referendum of June 2016 it did seem, for a while, that the only way to overturn a plebiscite, might be another plebiscite; that the only way to stop Brexit might be to ask "the people” again, in the hope that some had changed their minds. It is a shallow piece of nonsense to pretend that it would be “disrespectful" to ask a second time; flattering rather. But (I think) it was a mistake  in the first place, and it would be a risky gamble to ask the people to vote again on the same question – 'in' or 'out'. But there are other questions.

    If there were to be another referendum, I am beginning to think that my favoured question would be something like: “Should the question of Britain remaining in (or leaving) the European Union be decided by Parliament, or by Referendum?”  I would hope that some voters might have concluded that there is necessary information that they lack; and a responsibility that they are unprepared for. 

    I do believe in (representative) democracy —  as the least bad form of government, and on matters of morality; but not on matters of fact.  I would not try to determine the population of France or the GDP of Germany by asking the electorate.  The butler Stevens, in Ishiguro’s “Remains of the Day”, was asked by a sneering house guest if it was his opinion that Britain should raise or lower bank rate; he wisely answered that it was not his place to have an opinion on that matter. Nor would it be my place to decide that; the best we can do is to elect an honest banker.

    I thought John Major spoke well this morning (19th Jan) on BBC radio 4, advocating a series of ‘free’ votes in the House of Commons.

   Yours sincerely, Ian West

(Middleton Cheney, South Northamptonshire)

The Role of the Speaker

To the Editor of the Telegraph, 
Dear Sir,

One of your letter-writers* yesterday (i.e. 10th Jan) wished that Speaker Bercow had followed Speaker Lenthall who, in 1642, replied to King Charles I:

“May it please your majesty, I have neither eyes to see nor tongue to speak in this place but as this house is pleased to direct me whose servant I am here; and humbly beg your majesty's pardon that I cannot give any other answer than this to what your majesty is pleased to demand of me.”

But they surely missed the point: that Bercow was indeed following Lenthall, in using his initiative to follow the will of the House (not that of the Monarch or his Government).

Yours sincerely, Ian West

(* And doubtless several of your readers were equally indignant.)

"Islamic State" and the present bombing spree

Hear hear! I applaud Major General Jonathan Shaw, the only sane voice that I have heard on
Islamic State, and the present (September 2014) bombing spree.

 
(You can listen on the following link from 6min 20 sec: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p027gp8k)

This is "a battle for the soul of Islam", and it should surely be left to
them. The involvement of the West is a distraction, a distortion, and
is counter productive.

 
(Is not democracy a "government of the people by the people for the
people"? )

Some people think of the middle east as an 'oil-rich' area, the source
of much of OUR oil. They forget that it is the homeland of millions of
people who have opted for a way of life and a religion that is
different from ours. Some think our 'homeland security' requires us to
invade their homeland. 

Golly!
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Ian West
12 Longhirst Village,
MORPETH, NE61 3LT, UK
Tel: 01670 791880